John Menadue, CPD founder and former Head of the Department of Immigration, joins ABC Radio National’s Fran Kelly to discuss the recent deaths of eight asylum seekers in a boat that sank off Java. Indonesian Police say the crew members of a boat could face up to five years in jail. It has now emerged that some of the 48 survivors thought the boat was unsafe, and were demanding it be taken back to shore. Following the tragedy, the political debate in Canberra turned into an unedifying game of ‘I told you so’ as both sides of politics argued that their policy would have avoided people dying.

LISTEN to John Menadue talking sense in the face of what is a political not policy problem.